What do you think? (the GC is for armed, uniformed soldiers, under the GC spies could be immediately executed.. get it? Spies.. non uniformed, deceitful, dangerous, infiltrated)
Can someone explain how a Soldier.. armed and uniformed fighting for his country HONORABLY is akin to a disguised, despicable terrorist?
Just curious.
Yes but these people need to be disposed of, we can’t just hold them forever. They need to be charged, tried, and executed. They committed crimes and should be treated as criminals.
November 1st, 2009 at 12:29 am
Not even close to rational. But they didn’t elect me president.
The people don’t want rational, they want change at any price.
The US is a democracy and if we don’t like the will of the general population then we need to get out..
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Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
November 1st, 2009 at 12:53 am
How would you feel if the situation were reversed? If a US citizen were being held in another country under similar circumstances, without formal charges, and without the protection of the Geneva Convention or even the guarantee of basic human rights?
These "scum" are SUSPECTED terrorist sympathizers and abettors, not convicted criminals. They are also someone’s fathers, brothers, and sons who may have been turned in for any reason by anyone with a grudge against them or anyone looking to collect a reward.
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November 1st, 2009 at 1:29 am
NO, I completely agree, bringing the Geneva Convention into Gitmo should be out of the question. Why should we have sympathy towards these crazy terrorists when they obviously have none towards us or their own. There should be no comparison.
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November 1st, 2009 at 1:35 am
It is totally rational and a move which I suspect most of the world applauds. You seem to think that if someone wears a uniform that they are "honorable"?….don’t make me laugh, look at Israel, the IDF are nothing more than terrorists IN uniform, murdering innocent civilians.
Bush, the scum (to paraphrase a word you used) decided he could change the rules of internationally accepted norms whenever he wanted and disregard international law whenever he felt like it. Obama is now trying to undo the damage Bush and Co have done over the last 8 years, and personally I wish him the very best!
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November 1st, 2009 at 2:05 am
no they should only get the benefits if there country signed the Geneva act which there country dud not. besides look what they do to are captured solders. they torture and behead them then also mutilate there bodies. screw putting them in a soft bed put them six feet under.
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November 1st, 2009 at 2:17 am
What would make us different from them if we were to act in the same way? Some one should have better judgement and respect for themselves and their countries. It is not about the terrorists, its about US as a country and as a world leader.
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November 1st, 2009 at 2:50 am
Have you ever fought in a war and seen evidence of Saddam’s torture chambers?
Just curious.
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Iraq vet who doesn’t want to be akin to a despot. People were tortured and killed simply by being suspected of undermining the regime under Saddam. I don’t want to see us doing the same thing.
November 1st, 2009 at 3:33 am
im not sure what you are trying to say, but if we treat them with the minimal amount of human decency specified by the geneva convention, who is that really gonna hurt? They would still be our prisoners, they wouldnt have a leg to stand on with their complaining to bleeding heart groups, and when we find them guilty we stick them with a tagging device, set them loose back in the deserts and mountains of afghanistan and catch us a whole bunch more of them talibans. Maybe we will learn not to take prisoners if they are so much trouble.
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November 1st, 2009 at 4:17 am
the people in there are innocent of any crime. They have not been tried nor convicted of ANYTHING. They were, however, according to the US govt, enemy combatants and so either way you look at it they are entitled to protection under the Geneva Convention.
And its Guantanamo, you fool – can’t you spell?
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November 1st, 2009 at 4:38 am
On what basis do you decide they are all scum….most have never been charged with anything. If they deserve to be held and tried then charge them and try them….otherwise. I guess it would be ok to put anyone we suspect in jail and hold them until we can either find something to charge them with or torture them into admitting to something that maybe they did not do….Is that the world you want to live in?
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November 1st, 2009 at 5:11 am
Yes but these people need to be disposed of, we can’t just hold them forever. They need to be charged, tried, and executed. They committed crimes and should be treated as criminals.
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November 1st, 2009 at 5:47 am
You’re right.
If they are not prisoners-of-war under GC – then they should have been charged with a crime.
They haven’t – so they’re innocent.
And as civilians – they are entitled to compensation.
Thanks for pointing this out.
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November 1st, 2009 at 5:52 am
What the Bush, Israel, and American soldier haters on this site fail to realize is that it doesn’t matter that they do not deserve GC protection and they do not! No one that understands the GCs can come to that conclusion. If you come to that conclusion you are deluding yourself and you likely have never read the GCs.
But none of this matters. One of the answers said that these people deserve to receive the barest minimum benefits provided by the GC without even knowing what the GCs are or realizing that the prisoners receive protection much greater than what is required by the GC.
This is not an emotional argument and if emotion is all you have what good are you doing?
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November 1st, 2009 at 6:12 am
"Is it rational of Obama to say Gitmo scum get all the benefits of the Geneva Convention?"
Yes.
"Can someone explain how a Soldier.. armed and uniformed fighting for his country HONORABLY is akin to a disguised, despicable terrorist?"
The Geneva Conventions are meant to prevent inhumane actions from being taken against people who are vulnerable in war. Civilians, POWs and the like.
One of the intentions is to prevent atrocities that would increase hostility making peace that much more difficult to achieve.
So even the disguised despicable terrorist is due humane treatment. Who knows? Perhaps it will cause terrorists to become more humane in their treatment of hostages. Stranger things have happened.
http://www.redcross.lv/en/conventions.htm
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