So who cares if they are tortured?
How the hell did you get from terrorists to 10-yr. old boys? And you did not make a valid point in response to my question.
Thanks Biz owner and D H you two seem to be the on the ball. It’s nice to see there’s other people out there with common sense. As for the rest of you not only do you fail to answer the question most of the time you fail to make sense.
The Geneva Convention applies only to those who signed it.
Just like any other treaty .
The terrorists don’t follow it , so why should they be pritected by it ? Arn’t these the kind folks who;
1. fly planes into buildings
2. blow up planes full of people
3. fire rockets across borders at civilian areas
4. behead journalists
5. practice the art of suicide bombing
If you make a practice of kicking your dog, the day will come , when the dog bites you .
The day has come and the dogs have big teeth .
November 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
we should all care that we do not tourtue terrorists, terrorists or not, they are still human beings (although bad examples at that) and in us torturing them would bring our moral standard down of treating fellow humans.
where would we stop, its ok to torture murderers? how about car theives? how about 10 year old kids who steal sweets from the corner shop? the line has to be drawn somewhere were torture is wrong, and instead of drawing that line in the middle, where it can be debated, what crimes deserve torture, it is drawn at the very top and should stay there nothing should be tortured!
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November 17th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I think the problem, was what surfaced after Abu Graib. But lets be clear – was that incident really torture? The way it was reported and the pictures shown, it seem like humiliation more than torture. Considering the circumstances of who we are dealing with, religious suicide bombers and their ilk, that US military response was not improper and I have no problems with their use of humiliation as a tactic. Painful torture like in the movie Marathon Man seems unacceptable. The US should be able to rise above the fray and deal with terrorists as we would with any other prisoner in this country. We should incarcerate these terrorists and have them in work camps. There they could be of some positive use to this country while hating us.
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November 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Because how we treat others tells who we are. If we claim to live by higher moral standards than they do then we should not just sauy so, but do it.
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November 17th, 2009 at 11:23 am
because torture is torture. even if someone is the sickest person in the world, torture cant be allowed. even if they happen to have some valuable information. who cares if they are tortured?? humane people who dont think its right no matter who you do it on.
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November 17th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Maybe because the Geneva convention refers to the treatment of "Prisoners of War" and it was Bush that declared "War on Terrorism". so in essence that would make any terrorists that gets caught a "Prisoner of the War"(on terrorism)". I guess he should have thought his war declarations through a bit more before he decided to announce them, now this nation is bound to them.
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November 17th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
The Geneva Convention applies only to those who signed it.
Just like any other treaty .
The terrorists don’t follow it , so why should they be pritected by it ? Arn’t these the kind folks who;
1. fly planes into buildings
2. blow up planes full of people
3. fire rockets across borders at civilian areas
4. behead journalists
5. practice the art of suicide bombing
If you make a practice of kicking your dog, the day will come , when the dog bites you .
The day has come and the dogs have big teeth .
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History 101
November 17th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
because the Geneva Convention covers all people that we are at war with.
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November 17th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
1st I applaud DH for his response. Geneva convention charter does not protect un-uniformed combatants or non-member nation’s military forces.
As a retired military man, I could care less about how many terrorists are tortured. These animals can go around chopping heads off of civilian contractors (who were trying to help Iraq’s rebuilding) and liberals don’t say squat.
Put a picture up of an insurgent being humiliated and they (liberals) go nuts.
Where’s the common sense here?
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November 17th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
A treaty applies to those who signed it. A country or a group who signed the Geneva Convention are obliged not to torture any prisoners of war, including a War on Terrorism.
The US government signed a treaty that prohibits the use of torture on prisoners of War. It is (legally) bound by that treaty, even if its opponent did not sign it and is therefore not also bound.
The US government has come to a stage in its Imperial evolution at which it disregards treaties, federal laws, and the Constitution at its pleasure, and the Zionist media cover up its law-breaking as part of a conspiracy to use American productivity to support Israel.
You might compare Americans to hamsters in a big wheel inside a cage: all the Americans running around in the wheel, which turns a generator, which makes power for Israel.
So Jews, not Americans, control America, and that’s why the United States is no longer a nation established on law.
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November 17th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
The Geneva Convention was designed as to not treat people badly. It applies to all people we face in war and in peace. While I think that we should be less gentle sometimes, I also realize that by acting that way we do more then lower ourselves, we bring shame to who we are as a people. The rules were made so that we would always be looked at as the kinder people. While it may not be fair at times, it does serve it’s purpose. For the person who was former military and made that statement I will take it that you have never been to war, nor do you know anything of actual battle. Battles are won not only by how many people we kill, or how many buildings we destory, but also by the manner in which we fight war. We do it with honor, with dignity and with respect for life. For if we can not respect another life, then we have no respect for ourselves and the people we serve with.
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Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia
November 17th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Actually. the Geneva laws are wide spread and the do cover so called terrorist. They have Identified themselves as a military unit and have set up a rank structure. They are not mercenaries (who are not protected) This gives them credibility for being a legitimate army. We as a member of the UN are forced to follow the Geneva conventions because we signed the declarations. The so called terrorist did not sign the convention, therefore they do not need to uphold it standards.
In order for us to circumvent the Geneva Convention, we had to have notified the so called terrorist before we attacked them. Now that we are in the war we are prohibited from circumvention in accordance with the Geneva Conventions of 1971
Torture is NOT ALLOWED by any means under NO CIRCUMSTANCE.
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http://www.lawofwar.com
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November 17th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Oh, Philo… please!
Obviously, it’s unnecessary to torture terrorists because they’re either dead or they have been found guilty of breaking laws relating to terrorism and have been either executed or legally jailed.
Note: nobody still incarcerated at Gitmo has been found guilty of a crime yet.
So, the real nature of your proposition is this: It’s okay to torture anybody who is accused or suspected of being a terrorist.
Well, let’s test that, shall we?
Just answer this question: should you ever be mistaken for a terrorist, are you prepared to be tortured by the FBI? By your local police? Taken offshore and worked over by the CIA?
What’s that you say? You could never be mistaken for a terrorist? So, government never makes mistakes? Despite the fact that many people in USA and other countries have been mistakenly arrested, tortured and later released without charge — or any recompense for the… inconvenience.
Oh, yeah — how about that poor bugger in London, UK, minding his own business on the train and some guys bust into the train and pump nine rounds into his head. Just because they THOUGHT he was a terrorist. Now, try real hard to understand that, Philo: the cops had no proof!
That okay with you? What if you’d been sitting on that train, that day…?
You’re quite prepared to live in that fear, for your safety, within your country, whatever country that is?
Better be a good boy… don’t go out, don’t stay out, don’t say boo, don’t do anything except doo doo.
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