Comments on: Why do People falsely believe that the rules of the Geneva Convention apply to how we deal with terrorists? http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:58:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: tlc http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4520 tlc Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:28:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4520 Oh, Philo... please! Obviously, it's unnecessary to torture terrorists because they're either dead or they have been found guilty of breaking laws relating to terrorism and have been either executed or legally jailed. Note: nobody still incarcerated at Gitmo has been found guilty of a crime yet. So, the real nature of your proposition is this: It's okay to torture anybody who is accused or suspected of being a terrorist. Well, let's test that, shall we? Just answer this question: should you ever be mistaken for a terrorist, are you prepared to be tortured by the FBI? By your local police? Taken offshore and worked over by the CIA? What's that you say? You could never be mistaken for a terrorist? So, government never makes mistakes? Despite the fact that many people in USA and other countries have been mistakenly arrested, tortured and later released without charge -- or any recompense for the... inconvenience. Oh, yeah -- how about that poor bugger in London, UK, minding his own business on the train and some guys bust into the train and pump nine rounds into his head. Just because they THOUGHT he was a terrorist. Now, try real hard to understand that, Philo: the cops had no proof! That okay with you? What if you'd been sitting on that train, that day...? You're quite prepared to live in that fear, for your safety, within your country, whatever country that is? Better be a good boy... don't go out, don't stay out, don't say boo, don't do anything except doo doo.<br><b>References : </b><br> Oh, Philo… please!

Obviously, it’s unnecessary to torture terrorists because they’re either dead or they have been found guilty of breaking laws relating to terrorism and have been either executed or legally jailed.

Note: nobody still incarcerated at Gitmo has been found guilty of a crime yet.

So, the real nature of your proposition is this: It’s okay to torture anybody who is accused or suspected of being a terrorist.

Well, let’s test that, shall we?

Just answer this question: should you ever be mistaken for a terrorist, are you prepared to be tortured by the FBI? By your local police? Taken offshore and worked over by the CIA?

What’s that you say? You could never be mistaken for a terrorist? So, government never makes mistakes? Despite the fact that many people in USA and other countries have been mistakenly arrested, tortured and later released without charge — or any recompense for the… inconvenience.

Oh, yeah — how about that poor bugger in London, UK, minding his own business on the train and some guys bust into the train and pump nine rounds into his head. Just because they THOUGHT he was a terrorist. Now, try real hard to understand that, Philo: the cops had no proof!

That okay with you? What if you’d been sitting on that train, that day…?

You’re quite prepared to live in that fear, for your safety, within your country, whatever country that is?

Better be a good boy… don’t go out, don’t stay out, don’t say boo, don’t do anything except doo doo.
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]]> By: Gordon N http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4519 Gordon N Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:48:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4519 Actually. the Geneva laws are wide spread and the do cover so called terrorist. They have Identified themselves as a military unit and have set up a rank structure. They are not mercenaries (who are not protected) This gives them credibility for being a legitimate army. We as a member of the UN are forced to follow the Geneva conventions because we signed the declarations. The so called terrorist did not sign the convention, therefore they do not need to uphold it standards. In order for us to circumvent the Geneva Convention, we had to have notified the so called terrorist before we attacked them. Now that we are in the war we are prohibited from circumvention in accordance with the Geneva Conventions of 1971 Torture is NOT ALLOWED by any means under NO CIRCUMSTANCE.<br><b>References : </b><br>www.lawofwar.com Read at this site Actually. the Geneva laws are wide spread and the do cover so called terrorist. They have Identified themselves as a military unit and have set up a rank structure. They are not mercenaries (who are not protected) This gives them credibility for being a legitimate army. We as a member of the UN are forced to follow the Geneva conventions because we signed the declarations. The so called terrorist did not sign the convention, therefore they do not need to uphold it standards.

In order for us to circumvent the Geneva Convention, we had to have notified the so called terrorist before we attacked them. Now that we are in the war we are prohibited from circumvention in accordance with the Geneva Conventions of 1971

Torture is NOT ALLOWED by any means under NO CIRCUMSTANCE.
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]]> By: sgtextreme http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4518 sgtextreme Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:02:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4518 The Geneva Convention was designed as to not treat people badly. It applies to all people we face in war and in peace. While I think that we should be less gentle sometimes, I also realize that by acting that way we do more then lower ourselves, we bring shame to who we are as a people. The rules were made so that we would always be looked at as the kinder people. While it may not be fair at times, it does serve it's purpose. For the person who was former military and made that statement I will take it that you have never been to war, nor do you know anything of actual battle. Battles are won not only by how many people we kill, or how many buildings we destory, but also by the manner in which we fight war. We do it with honor, with dignity and with respect for life. For if we can not respect another life, then we have no respect for ourselves and the people we serve with.<br><b>References : </b><br>Brought to you by the realist in ME. SGT R, US Army Ranger 1990-2003, Disabled Veteran 2003- Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia The Geneva Convention was designed as to not treat people badly. It applies to all people we face in war and in peace. While I think that we should be less gentle sometimes, I also realize that by acting that way we do more then lower ourselves, we bring shame to who we are as a people. The rules were made so that we would always be looked at as the kinder people. While it may not be fair at times, it does serve it’s purpose. For the person who was former military and made that statement I will take it that you have never been to war, nor do you know anything of actual battle. Battles are won not only by how many people we kill, or how many buildings we destory, but also by the manner in which we fight war. We do it with honor, with dignity and with respect for life. For if we can not respect another life, then we have no respect for ourselves and the people we serve with.
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SGT R, US Army Ranger 1990-2003, Disabled Veteran 2003-
Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia

]]> By: David S http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4517 David S Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:30:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4517 A treaty applies to those who signed it. A country or a group who signed the Geneva Convention are obliged not to torture any prisoners of war, including a War on Terrorism. The US government signed a treaty that prohibits the use of torture on prisoners of War. It is (legally) bound by that treaty, even if its opponent did not sign it and is therefore not also bound. The US government has come to a stage in its Imperial evolution at which it disregards treaties, federal laws, and the Constitution at its pleasure, and the Zionist media cover up its law-breaking as part of a conspiracy to use American productivity to support Israel. You might compare Americans to hamsters in a big wheel inside a cage: all the Americans running around in the wheel, which turns a generator, which makes power for Israel. So Jews, not Americans, control America, and that's why the United States is no longer a nation established on law.<br><b>References : </b><br> A treaty applies to those who signed it. A country or a group who signed the Geneva Convention are obliged not to torture any prisoners of war, including a War on Terrorism.

The US government signed a treaty that prohibits the use of torture on prisoners of War. It is (legally) bound by that treaty, even if its opponent did not sign it and is therefore not also bound.

The US government has come to a stage in its Imperial evolution at which it disregards treaties, federal laws, and the Constitution at its pleasure, and the Zionist media cover up its law-breaking as part of a conspiracy to use American productivity to support Israel.

You might compare Americans to hamsters in a big wheel inside a cage: all the Americans running around in the wheel, which turns a generator, which makes power for Israel.

So Jews, not Americans, control America, and that’s why the United States is no longer a nation established on law.
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]]> By: biz owner http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4516 biz owner Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:50:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4516 1st I applaud DH for his response. Geneva convention charter does not protect un-uniformed combatants or non-member nation's military forces. As a retired military man, I could care less about how many terrorists are tortured. These animals can go around chopping heads off of civilian contractors (who were trying to help Iraq's rebuilding) and liberals don't say squat. Put a picture up of an insurgent being humiliated and they (liberals) go nuts. Where's the common sense here?<br><b>References : </b><br> 1st I applaud DH for his response. Geneva convention charter does not protect un-uniformed combatants or non-member nation’s military forces.

As a retired military man, I could care less about how many terrorists are tortured. These animals can go around chopping heads off of civilian contractors (who were trying to help Iraq’s rebuilding) and liberals don’t say squat.
Put a picture up of an insurgent being humiliated and they (liberals) go nuts.
Where’s the common sense here?
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]]> By: mike67333 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4515 mike67333 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:14:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4515 because the Geneva Convention covers all people that we are at war with.<br><b>References : </b><br> because the Geneva Convention covers all people that we are at war with.
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]]> By: D H http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4514 D H Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:00:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4514 The Geneva Convention applies only to those who signed it. Just like any other treaty . The terrorists don't follow it , so why should they be pritected by it ? Arn't these the kind folks who; 1. fly planes into buildings 2. blow up planes full of people 3. fire rockets across borders at civilian areas 4. behead journalists 5. practice the art of suicide bombing If you make a practice of kicking your dog, the day will come , when the dog bites you . The day has come and the dogs have big teeth .<br><b>References : </b><br>History 101 The Geneva Convention applies only to those who signed it.
Just like any other treaty .
The terrorists don’t follow it , so why should they be pritected by it ? Arn’t these the kind folks who;
1. fly planes into buildings
2. blow up planes full of people
3. fire rockets across borders at civilian areas
4. behead journalists
5. practice the art of suicide bombing

If you make a practice of kicking your dog, the day will come , when the dog bites you .

The day has come and the dogs have big teeth .
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]]> By: ilovemyarmyguy http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4513 ilovemyarmyguy Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:13:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4513 Maybe because the Geneva convention refers to the treatment of "Prisoners of War" and it was Bush that declared "War on Terrorism". so in essence that would make any terrorists that gets caught a "Prisoner of the War"(on terrorism)". I guess he should have thought his war declarations through a bit more before he decided to announce them, now this nation is bound to them.<br><b>References : </b><br> Maybe because the Geneva convention refers to the treatment of "Prisoners of War" and it was Bush that declared "War on Terrorism". so in essence that would make any terrorists that gets caught a "Prisoner of the War"(on terrorism)". I guess he should have thought his war declarations through a bit more before he decided to announce them, now this nation is bound to them.
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]]> By: zarf http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4512 zarf Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:23:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4512 because torture is torture. even if someone is the sickest person in the world, torture cant be allowed. even if they happen to have some valuable information. who cares if they are tortured?? humane people who dont think its right no matter who you do it on.<br><b>References : </b><br> because torture is torture. even if someone is the sickest person in the world, torture cant be allowed. even if they happen to have some valuable information. who cares if they are tortured?? humane people who dont think its right no matter who you do it on.
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]]> By: Gungnir http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists/comment-page-1#comment-4511 Gungnir Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:57:59 +0000 http://www.diet2005.com/geneva-convention/why-do-people-falsely-believe-that-the-rules-of-the-geneva-convention-apply-to-how-we-deal-with-terrorists#comment-4511 Because how we treat others tells who we are. If we claim to live by higher moral standards than they do then we should not just sauy so, but do it.<br><b>References : </b><br> Because how we treat others tells who we are. If we claim to live by higher moral standards than they do then we should not just sauy so, but do it.
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